Baron Chall Wattson
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Post by Baron Chall Wattson on Jun 10, 2023 2:05:27 GMT -5
So the most unique thing in different beasts is their accents, hares having a semi British-like accent, (is that British? Not familiar with accent names ) and moles having a pretty thick accent. One day while laying in bed, I thought… “If beasts have accents, there might be different LANGUAGES, right?” There isn’t much information in the books (for me) and unsure.. but if there are no different languages, why would they have accents? Wouldn’t all the beasts slowly be fluent at the main and only language? I’d like to know your thoughts! (Spoilers OK! )
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Post by Celebes on Jun 23, 2023 11:33:04 GMT -5
Ooh, good question! I always love these types of discussions.
Hmm, I'd have to look back through some of the books, though I do think I remember some of the heroes now and then saying something along the lines of having to learn other beasts' "language." I think Matthias talks about it with the Sparra, and I believe it was in Mariel there was a group of frogs out on the beach they couldn't really understand.
However, usually it seems like they use "language" as a stand in for "confusing verbal tick or accent" I'm not sure if the characters in the story actually hear it that way, or the author just wrote them with funny syntax in English so that the reader could know what the enemy was saying but still know he speaking something different.
But of course, the ultimate question. Does Cluny speak Portuguese? That's apparently where he's from!
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Baron Chall Wattson
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Post by Baron Chall Wattson on Jul 5, 2023 4:37:01 GMT -5
Cluny…. speaking Portuguese?! Well, that was unexpected. I think it would be cool if different beasts had different languages, but it would be rather weird because then that would mean everyone knew all the languages? But if there were no different language, then accents wouldnt be needed… Very confusing.
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Post by Celebes on Aug 20, 2023 11:40:11 GMT -5
Cluny o Flagelo is what they called him around the abbeys of Lisbon, they say. It does seem like the further one gets from Redwall, the more likely it is there are creatures with an extreme verbal tick or are straight not understandable. Perhaps there is a sort of common language that diffused over a local area of Mossflower woods, and the further one gets from that area the less likely it is to reach there. Of course, Southsward and Marshank are supposedly quite far from where the Abbey is and still speak the same language, so who knows. My new personal theory is that the Long Patrol spread their particular blend of British English through their conquest of Mossflower, with the locals dropping the more annoying bits after the hares left
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Post by LordTBT on Sept 15, 2023 15:56:48 GMT -5
In terms of spoken languages, Sparra and the seal communication are described as language. However there are many written languages, including Loamscript, molescript, and badger script.
The hares manner of speaking is inspired by the British military; the mole dialect is inspired by residents of Somerset, England.
It would be an incredible Easter Egg for Redwall fans if a voice actor for Cluny is Portuguese and he speaks with a Portuguese accent.
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Post by Celebes on Sept 17, 2023 21:53:14 GMT -5
That's a good point, I had forgotten that there were a good amount of written languages in a addition to the various tribal/single species dialects that are peppered in throughout the stories. Are there any of those written languages that were still considered "living" by the timeframe where they show up in the books? I may need a refresher, but I though especially Loamscript and Badger Script were considered archaic by the time they were being seen by the heroes. There seems to be just a single form of written language that is current when Redwall comes around. If we go off the general assumption that Mossflower is in medieval times, would the unifying language that everyone seems to write in and understand be the equivalent to what Latin was?
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Baron Chall Wattson
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Post by Baron Chall Wattson on Sept 24, 2023 16:39:52 GMT -5
Nice catch, I forgot about Sparra and seals, along with the other languages. Could Redwall accents be somewhat related to, like, having an accent but speaking one language? I'm not sure how to explain..
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Post by LordTBT on Sept 25, 2023 10:28:05 GMT -5
That's a good point, I had forgotten that there were a good amount of written languages in a addition to the various tribal/single species dialects that are peppered in throughout the stories. Are there any of those written languages that were still considered "living" by the timeframe where they show up in the books? I may need a refresher, but I though especially Loamscript and Badger Script were considered archaic by the time they were being seen by the heroes. There seems to be just a single form of written language that is current when Redwall comes around. If we go off the general assumption that Mossflower is in medieval times, would the unifying language that everyone seems to write in and understand be the equivalent to what Latin was? Yes, Loamscript and Badger Script were "ancient" languages. However, molescript was used during the time of Lord Brocktree and Mossflower. Technically, Loamscript would've been used during the events of Mossflower too.
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Baron Chall Wattson
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Posts: 48
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Post by Baron Chall Wattson on Oct 2, 2023 21:13:38 GMT -5
What was Loamscript used by? I don't recognize, but I may know and not recognize the name.
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Post by Celebes on Oct 9, 2023 14:13:19 GMT -5
The only time I remember Loamscript coming up specifically seems to have been in the odd riddle here or there, I think those written by Abbess Germaine from Loamhedge were supposed to be written in Loamscript. But there may have been other instances, its been a while since I read the later books.
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Post by LordTBT on Jan 23, 2024 18:48:39 GMT -5
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